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Modest
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I was going to post a message
on the AT-forum. But I wanted to have the backing of you, fellow
RDA-fans. I cannot speak for myself alone.
Amanda Tapping also has a FB-page.
And, unfortunately, my English is, well, not that terrific.... |
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Caty
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I guess most of us agree to vote for Amanda, after Rick won.
At least I will do!
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Modest
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Me too!
I have just posted a message, a call for help, with the promise to help them afterwards, on the AT-forum.... |
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KateR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Allie wrote: | Well,
not to burst his bubble or anything, but THIS isn't about him either.
WE make it about him and his birthday to gather as a group and do
something nice that will motivate people who would otherwise not bother
to get involed.
At the end of the day THIS is about Sea Shepherd.
Wheels are being turned to get a tweet/message from RDA on this, but I don't know if it will be released in time. |
On the one hand this "project" is being promoted as a way of helping Sea
Shepherd, and on the other hand it is being promoted as a way to win a
chance to meet RDA.
Now "wheels are being turned" (ie you are using your "contact" to try to
get a message to RDA) because you think that a tweet from him will
increase the voting?
Perhaps it is the mixed message that is affecting the results.
Consider this:
RDA has 49,000 followers on Twitter.
Sea Shepherd has 122,000 followers on Twitter.
Omar from Sea Shepherd has 383,000 Twitter followers.
If the goal is to rally support for Sea Shepherd, then you'll want to
target Sea Shepherd followers, who are not necessarily followers of RDA.
Similarly, fans of RDA are not necessarily supporters of Sea Shepherd.
Asking RDA to encourage his fans to give him a birthday present by
voting for Sea Shepherd so that they can win a chance to meet him... is a
little awkward. He might be willing to encourage support for his
charity, but then the "meet a celebrity" and "for my birthday" aspects
would have to be played down.
BTW, RDA is aware of the voting. I haven't specifically asked him to say
anything about it because it would be like asking for your own birthday
present if it must be done "in time."
In the meantime, perhaps the voting would be better served by getting the 300,000+ Sea Shepherd supporters to vote each day.
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Tree_B
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a Becca Tobin over
took Amanda for the #2 spot, and is closing in on RDA being in 1st
place. Keep up with voting gotta keep RDA in 1st place  |
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Fandango
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you, Kate! |
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Allie
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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If we are to win the donation
then we need to get all the votes we can. Now, as Kate has pointed out,
some will vote for SSCS, some will vote for RDA's bday and some will
vote because they want to meet him.
We have people rallying up the SSCS supporters, we have people gathering
up RDA fans for his bday and we have people promoting a chance to meet
RDA. The point is to have ALL these categories offering their votes.
Should RDA encourage his fans to vote? Yes. For his bday? No. For the
chance to meet him? No. He will dictate the tone this challenge takes
and a tweet of "help SSCS win 25,000Euros" would clearly eliminate any
doubt of why he choses to step up.
Is he afraid that some ill mannered people may perceive it as a
self-grandizing gesture? So what? Diana Agron, Misha Collins, Becca
Tobin didn't seem to care and two of those charities are now enjoying a
25,000Euro donation that will make quite a difference in their lives,
with Becca's about to enjoy hers.
25,000Euros is not a small donation. It's a donation that can put fuel
in 4 Sea Shepherd ships, food on their tables and repairs in their
equipment. Am I passionate about this? Yes. And you all know why. I was
where these people are now and they are my friends. I've seen how they
have to ration every slice of bread and every carton of rice milk, how
happy they are when one of the few precious bags of chips is open, how
noodle soup becomes the most valuable asset on the ship and how in a few
weeks time the only thing those kids will wish for is a fresh fruit.
I am not worried about appearances because people who will bad-mouth
this competition and/or Sea Shepherd will do so no matter WHAT will
happen. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. So, I chose
do.
A word from RDA WILL change the balance of the vote make no mistake
about that. So yes, Kate, thank you, thank you a lot, I am VERY happy he
already knows, that way, when the Sea Shepherd channels will be reach
out to him, he will not need detailed explanation and can directly
discuss with them the idea of a comment. |
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Belathne
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Location: Bonn, Germany / Oh for cryin' out loud, it's me again!
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| KateR wrote: | Perhaps it is the mixed message that is affecting the results.
Consider this:
RDA has 49,000 followers on Twitter.
Sea Shepherd has 122,000 followers on Twitter.
Omar from Sea Shepherd has 383,000 Twitter followers.
If the goal is to rally support for Sea Shepherd, then you'll want to
target Sea Shepherd followers, who are not necessarily followers of RDA.
Similarly, fans of RDA are not necessarily supporters of Sea Shepherd.
Asking RDA to encourage his fans to give him a birthday present by
voting for Sea Shepherd so that they can win a chance to meet him... is a
little awkward. He might be willing to encourage support for his
charity, but then the "meet a celebrity" and "for my birthday" aspects
would have to be played down.
Kate |
I'm afraid that this donation-thing for SSCS comes with the whole
package, which includes the celebrity RDA + only in January, his
birthday present as well. It isn't possible to separate the person RDA
from SSCS. In fact, this is what it is all about - to support the
celebrity and hence his/her charity. That two people can meet him, if he
wins, is a bonus.
RDA knows about the voting and that he hasn't already mentioned
something about this on twitter says it all. I don't think that he
becomes active in this case. Not his style. But I'm open for surprises.
BTW, I'm really glad to see him still at rank 1.
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Fandango
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Allie, your enthusiasm in the cause is admirable!
I do think that your examples of the Challenge’s self-promoters illustrates something rather interesting.
The people you chose:
Dianna Agron, born: April 30, 1986 (age 26),
Misha Collins, born: August 20, 1974 (age 38 ),
Becca Tobin, born: January 18 1986 (age 26)
Mr. Anderson is not of their generation, and thus grew up surrounded by a
very different mind set than these people. Though one might like to
assume such things are of no consequence, they are real and quite
tangible, almost to the same extent as the differences between cultures.
But one should also remember than Mr. Anderson’s views have not always echoed the popular average, anyway.
| Allie wrote: | | Is he afraid that some ill mannered people may perceive it as a self-grandizing gesture? |
Perhaps it is not so much what others perceive of him that matters, but what he perceives in himself.
I will not express an opinion whether he should or should not encourage
people to vote on the Challenge, but rather only that I trust RDA to be
RDA and do what he feels is appropriate to him in this situation. |
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Tree_B
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Kate & Allie |
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KateR
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Allie wrote: | If
we are to win the donation then we need to get all the votes we can.
Now, as Kate has pointed out, some will vote for SSCS, some will vote
for RDA's bday and some will vote because they want to meet him.
We have people rallying up the SSCS supporters, we have people gathering
up RDA fans for his bday and we have people promoting a chance to meet
RDA. The point is to have ALL these categories offering their votes. |
This sounds like "the ends justify the means," but it does answer my
question about the goal of this campaign. When Carrie first nominated
RDA and SSCS, and then asked me to help spread the word, I did so gladly
because it seemed to be a nice way for fans to show their support for
both the person and the charity. Since then, it has sort of morphed into
something quite different as "WE" have made the goal to use any and all
resources to ensure a victory in January.
| Allie wrote: | | Should RDA encourage his fans to vote? Yes. |
I was really asking if it was wise to ask RDA, to try to recruit him to promote his own birthday gift. Whether or not he should endorse the campaign and encourage his fans to vote is really up to him.
| Allie wrote: | | Is
he afraid that some ill mannered people may perceive it as a
self-grandizing gesture? So what? Diana Agron, Misha Collins, Becca
Tobin didn't seem to care |
I think it's a mistake to assume that what other celebrities think or
do, or what "WE" feel about a particular situation, should necessarily
dictate RDA's opinion. And I wasn't really referring to fear or to
ill-mannered people, but I was considering RDA's thoughts and comments
in the past.
RDA is extremely gracious, and he has always been very touched when fans
have selflessly made donations in his honor to charities he has cared
about. But he is not necessarily comfortable in the spotlight. He has
been extraordinarily candid with me about his feelings when called upon
to be publicly recognized, for example the recent events in Atlanta or
Paris, the nomination for the Walk of Fame, or the public presentation
of the first Purple Heart Award that did not happen as planned.
That is what makes this campaign different from other charitable
donations. The source of the money is less clear. The celebrity is
required to endorse the organization, to grant interviews for publicity,
to release the use of his image and endorsement, and to make an
appearance at a public presentation. Not all celebrities agree to this,
which is why it is clearly stated in the rules that if a celebrity
declines, the money passes to the second place winner. Didn't this
happen just recently in one of the past months? The top winner declined
and the prize was awarded to the celebrity in second place instead.
Given that not all celebrities "didn't seem to care," I think we need to
allow RDA to make his own judgment rather than to tell him what he
should do. True, he has agreed to do conventions and public appearances
to raise money, but the publicity is not as easy for him as you might
think.
This is why I asked - is this meant to be a gift from the fans to RDA, or is it meant to be a gift from RDA to SSCS?
| Allie wrote: | | 25,000Euros
is not a small donation. It's a donation that can put fuel in 4 Sea
Shepherd ships, food on their tables and repairs in their equipment. Am I
passionate about this? Yes. And you all know why. I was where these
people are now and they are my friends. |
Yes, I think most people here are aware of the real reason you are so
passionate. But the question isn't really why you think Sea Shepherd
needs/deserves money, but rather how far fans should go in dictating to
RDA the nature of his support. At least, that was what I was asking in my original message.
| Allie wrote: | | I
am not worried about appearances because people who will bad-mouth this
competition and/or Sea Shepherd will do so no matter WHAT will happen.
We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. So, I chose do. |
I'm sure you do. But again, my question was really more about RDA.
| Allie wrote: | | A word from RDA WILL change the balance of the vote make no mistake about that. |
I've no doubt that a new potential voting pool will be made aware, but
I'm not sure it will change the balance quite as much as you hope. It's
simply a case of numbers. If the primary goal really is to raise money
for SSCS, then you need to tap the voting pool of Sea Shepherd
supporters. Sea Shepherd itself has far more followers than RDA. RDA has
49,000 followers, but other celebrities who support Sea Shepherd have
far more than that - William Shatner alone has over a million. So, is
the goal really to have all categories offering their votes, or is it to
get RDA's attention or to win a chance to meet him?
| Allie wrote: | | So
yes, Kate, thank you, thank you a lot, I am VERY happy he already
knows, that way, when the Sea Shepherd channels will be reach out to
him, he will not need detailed explanation and can directly discuss with
them the idea of a comment. |
You're welcome. You wouldn't want his impression of the campaign to come
from some of the tweets and online discussions lately anyway. Still, I
feel RDA would want even more information about the organization itself
before making a decision about his involvement, and I hope that if/when
Sea Shepherd approaches him, they will give him a clear picture of what
is involved and what is expected of him in the case of a win, rather
than just asking for a blind endorsement or retweet. If he does decide
that his involvement will benefit Sea Shepherd, then it becomes less of a
birthday gift, and the January deadline becomes less urgent.
I wouldn't try to make such a decision for RDA or to guess how he might
react once he has all the information. But I know how he has reacted in
the past, and I was simply wondering what became of the selfless fan
support that characterized the campaign when the voting began.
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Belathne
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:58 am Post subject: |
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The Bille's Celeb Charity
Challenge is simply a possibility for us fans to provide RDA's charity
SSCS with a considerable amount of money, without any costs for us. We
can do this for him, but I'm also of the opinion that we shouldn't beg
him to become active. We started this, not he. He goes to conventions to
raise money for SSCS, we try an other way. At auctions, RDA presents
the items and seems to have fun doing this, but he isn't the one, who
tries to boost the bids. It's a similar situation here.
Of course there is the chance to meet him in person for the "Superfan"
and one of us, but I guess that most of the people are voting to get the
money and to do him am favor, as the probability to be the "ONE", is
very slim.
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Modest
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Oy, Kate, you're absolutely right.
Thank you for adding your insight on this.
Everyone always had and still has the bestest intentions, but, you're
right, somewhere along the way, "this has morphed into something quite
different".
Thank you for and congratulations on the way you handle your job as RDAnderson-website-administrator. It is really appreciated. |
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Pamk1950
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Belathne wrote: | I
also don't think that it will be a safe bet. I could imagine that lots
of RDA-voters will stop voting now, because he won't be able to make it
to rank 1 until end of the year anyway. But we need ALL voters back at
the beginning of the new year. Hopefully they will be there again.
We should make this the RDA-Birthday-project. Maybe then much more people are willing to vote for him. |
This is Bel's post which first suggested doing this as a birthday
project. I must admit that at first I thought it was a great idea. But
now that this has seem to gone in a different direction, I'm not sure.
Sure, it would be nice to have this happen in January, but it would be
nice no matter what month it happens. Also, I've heard from a few fans
that felt like they were being badgered into voting for him. This does
not help either. Let's just take it one day at a time and hope for the
best.
Pam
Fandango - amen my friend, amen
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Belathne
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Well, when I had the idea of
the Birthday project, I didn't think at any time, that Rick should be
involved. This is really awkward. You cannot ask someone to motivate
your fans to become the winner, in order to get a nice birthday gift.
If it isn't possible to keep him at rank 1 until end of the month, then
it won't be our birthday present for him and we can try it in February
again. It's not the end of the world, when we fail, but the timing for a
victory in January would be perfect. IMO it's okay to get as much
voters as possible, but we should do the work alone, as we initiated the
whole thing.
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)
But there is always the next month, isn't it?
And he was so close.
